tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13617569.post4242225711417106409..comments2024-03-27T02:13:58.088-07:00Comments on Integral Options Cafe: Notice to Marc Gafni Supporterswilliam harrymanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06981478282688361274noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13617569.post-15795336850886552952008-07-19T08:04:00.000-07:002008-07-19T08:04:00.000-07:00Hokai posted that your blog crosses some boundarie...Hokai posted that your blog crosses some boundaries as well. I am not sure I agree, but find this an interesting topic. Just the other day on NPR they were talking about the fact that individuals used to be more information savvy than they are now just because there is so much info on the web. I think it is the responsibility of the reader to understand when something is fact and when something is opinion. Blogs are, for the most part, opinion, or at least I treat them as such. I research on my own to determine if something is fact. Because we are allowed freedom of speech, we can say what we will. However, I agree with Hokai's idea of responsibility towards others, however, bloggers don't have the same responsibility as reporters do. From a spiritual perspective I would hope people do consider others in their posts. Unfortunately, people read opinions and information and take them as fact. I could spin round and round on this, but i think i am going to go watch the Tour (again) instead :)<BR/><BR/>jamiAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13617569.post-24861699363814442912008-07-18T18:41:00.000-07:002008-07-18T18:41:00.000-07:00Thanks Evan,Agreed. I don't think Ken will get suc...Thanks Evan,<BR/><BR/>Agreed. I don't think Ken will get sucked in, and it's disturbing that his staff are involved.<BR/><BR/>The post that set him off is down, but I still show up pretty high on the list, although the Awareness Center, which seems a little sketchy to me, still comes up number one, and they have ALL the accusations in one place.<BR/><BR/>Peace,<BR/>Billwilliam harrymanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06981478282688361274noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13617569.post-37622110255670502762008-07-18T18:07:00.000-07:002008-07-18T18:07:00.000-07:00Gafni is desperate because your blog is coming up ...Gafni is desperate because your blog is coming up second when his name is Googled, and he'll continue to hound you (or coerce his brainwashed minions to do so) in the deluded hope that only positive links will eventually show up on the first page of Google, and the world will conveniently forget about his sleazy reputation, and he'll finally be able to claim the glory he feels he deserves.<BR/><BR/>I know that Ken Wilber has spoken at length with many of the women directly involved with Gafni, as well as with numerous others who've worked closely with him -- and the first-hand evidence he heard was compelling and disturbing enough to convince him to cut all ties. It's hard to believe that any "defense" Gafni is pulling together (including calculatingly-selected and edited emails from some of the women, and bogus evaluations by "professionals" who've only heard his side of the story) would be enough to sway a smart guy like Wilber. <BR/><BR/>Let's hope not anyway. Based on his lifelong history, it's not a matter of if Gafni will abuse again but when, and anyone who would hire or help promote him given all the information now available is being just as irresponsible as he is, in my opinion. I'm just sorry you've gotten caught up in this mess, and hope it ends soon!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13617569.post-72759548513668300012008-07-14T18:52:00.000-07:002008-07-14T18:52:00.000-07:00I was disturbed to read that people called you at ...I was disturbed to read that people called you at home to try to change your mind -- whether or not Gafni abused women, this speaks to a cultism that seems unhealthy and overwrought regardless of the issues involved. <BR/><BR/>I never saw your original post, but am disappointed that you took it down in deference to his followers. If Gafni is so filled with love and light, and is completely innocent of the charges made against him, what exactly does he have to fear from a blog post? <BR/><BR/>As far as hearsay on the internet, such is the world as it is. But it is also the slippery nature of sexual abuse cases, where intent and inner experience of the parties can never be truly known -- only guessed at based on patterns.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13617569.post-26626960560238744712008-07-14T18:34:00.000-07:002008-07-14T18:34:00.000-07:00Hi Hokai,I agree with you. I took down the abusive...Hi Hokai,<BR/><BR/>I agree with you. I took down the abusive guru post from July 4th, and my most recent post references only Gafni's own words, and those of his one-time close friend, Ken Wilber, to whom he apparently "confessed."<BR/><BR/>His own words and behavior speak volumes, without any need to bring in declarations of being a supposed serial sexual abuser.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Peace,<BR/>Billwilliam harrymanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06981478282688361274noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13617569.post-12238541882199536492008-07-14T08:14:00.000-07:002008-07-14T08:14:00.000-07:00Hi, Bill. You write: "All this in response to a po...Hi, Bill. You write: "All this in response to a post that only presents information already widely available on the web. My little blog has a handful of readers and poses no threat."<BR/><BR/>Most of what's available on the web isn't "information", but data. And in this case, especially, any such "information" must be treated with extreme caution, instead of being "only presented", as you say. Your blog may be little, but size is irrelevant when you link to pieces using qualifications such as "serial sex abuser" as proven facts. I understand your arguments and sensitivity when it comes to private boundaries, but this blog also crosses some boundaries by definition, and you seem to have shown much more tolerance and bona fide trust to professional defamers, by quoting their "information" without them ever knocking on your door. <BR/><BR/>I'm not writing this "in support of Gafni" but as your colleague who found it quite challenging to comment on this matter, both two years ago and now.Hokaihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12250501029542559933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13617569.post-45794445960597591922008-07-13T21:20:00.000-07:002008-07-13T21:20:00.000-07:00at least you knowyou have some committedreaders Wi...at least you know<BR/>you have some committed<BR/>readers William...<BR/>:-)<BR/><BR/>dem.Erichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08019941661201257687noreply@blogger.com