tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13617569.post116838658748932264..comments2024-03-27T02:13:58.088-07:00Comments on Integral Options Cafe: Making Gay Rams Straightwilliam harrymanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06981478282688361274noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13617569.post-1168428096069074722007-01-10T04:21:00.000-07:002007-01-10T04:21:00.000-07:00Thanks Jim,For stopping by to set the record strai...Thanks Jim,<BR/><BR/>For stopping by to set the record straight.<BR/><BR/>Peace,<BR/>Billwilliam harrymanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06981478282688361274noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13617569.post-1168403854179631702007-01-09T21:37:00.000-07:002007-01-09T21:37:00.000-07:00Jim Newman here from the university that is actual...Jim Newman here from the university that is actually conducting the research. <BR/><BR/>In regards to the Sunday Times article which is the source of all these wild conspiracy theories, it was filled with errors and false statements. In some cases the paper even reported the exact opposite of what actually occurred. In reality – the research was conducted five years ago. When announced in 2002, several gay and lesbian groups appreciated the findings as the data supports the belief that homosexuality has biological roots and is not merely a matter of choice. <BR/><BR/> I am pleased that a writer has thoroughly investigated the article. As he reports, the Sunday Times article basically a piece of science fiction made up by PETA, yes the animal rights people. <BR/><BR/> His analysis also raises important questions about the timing of the article which again comes almost five years after the research was actually conducted.<BR/><BR/>Here’s a link to that analysis that anyone who is interested in this topic should read:<BR/><BR/>A wolf in gay sheep's clothing: Corruption at the London Times<BR/>http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/1/4/134158/4348<BR/><BR/>Also the press is beginning to print stories on how this science research was hijacked by PETA, the left and the right for political gain.<BR/><BR/>Here’s one story:<BR/>If only British press would say, 'My baa-d'<BR/>http://www.portlandtribune.com/news/story.php?story_id=116829766709316800Jim Newmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13463896543100060215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13617569.post-1168397457878420532007-01-09T19:50:00.000-07:002007-01-09T19:50:00.000-07:00Hey ~C, I tend to agree with you that the science ...Hey ~C, <BR/><BR/>I tend to agree with you that the science on its own is neutral -- the issue for me is what people will do with it. I fear the worst in this case/<BR/><BR/>Tom,<BR/><BR/>You make some good points here. I'm not sure at what point we draw the line on any of the issues you present. But in this case there is a clear and integral solution: We need to redefine sexuality and sexual preference as forms of expression rather than as types of people. That would solves the whole damn issue.<BR/><BR/>Ain't gonna happen, though, as far as I can.<BR/><BR/>Peace,<BR/>Billwilliam harrymanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06981478282688361274noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13617569.post-1168393533105754342007-01-09T18:45:00.000-07:002007-01-09T18:45:00.000-07:00I think that you and C4 are making a Green argumen...I think that you and C4 are making a Green argument, at best.<BR/><BR/>Please don't try to preempt what the Right might say or think, as correct as your prognosis may be. Forget the Right and concentrate on what's right.<BR/><BR/>One question for me is Would a baby whose hormone level had been tinkered with of any less worth than one whose has not?<BR/><BR/>If we are not thinking tribally, if we recognize that there is no such thing as race, that sentience itself does not become degraded [or upgraded], even as there are people in the world who have mental and physical challenges [and there are people in the world who glide along without obstacles], then we cannot reject a world that doesn't have homosexuality any more than we can fail to embrace a world that does.<BR/><BR/>There is a similar question with respect to the deaf community. If we use skills in medicine that now exist, we can end deaf culture. Is it right to do so? Does it make any difference that deafness is more easily viewed as a "flaw?"<BR/><BR/>I am not persuaded by the idea of preservation of culture, though preservation of diversity seems worthy to me, so long as we are not attempting to keep something that is a troubled, backwater society. [For example, we preserve Amazon tribes who live myth-steeped, short lives that seem miserable and diseased.]<BR/><BR/>Gay people [and deaf people] aren't an alien tribe. If human life were to go forward almost-fully heterosexual and almost all able to hear, it would be THEIR progeny, THEIR species continuing into the future as much so as anybody's.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13718601770472939313noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13617569.post-1168389081398195752007-01-09T17:31:00.000-07:002007-01-09T17:31:00.000-07:00well said. allow me to take a slightly different p...well said. allow me to take a slightly different perspective than yours. first of all, you're right, the right-wing homophobic people out there would probably use this to impose their ideas of sexuality. reminds me of the X-Men: The Last Stand movie :)<BR/><BR/><STRONG><EM>"I also think these studies could lead to a reclassification of homosexuality as a disease."</EM></STRONG><BR/><BR/>that's also a big possibility. but i think this information is a double-edged sword. it has its good, and it has its bad. it would all depend on how we as a society would treat the science/technology that will come out of this. if you totally oppose this research, then do you also oppose homosexual males who undergo hormone treatment and surgical procedures to transform themselves into females? how about those homosexual males/females who want to be heterosexuals? shouldn't they be given a chance to make a choice too?<BR/><BR/>there's no clear cut answers to these questions. we just deal with them as society and culture move forward. <BR/><BR/>but looking at it from a scientific vantage point i don't think scientists are out to prove that homosexuality is a "disease." what i think this proves is that our biochemical compositions can be modified at will and impact our psychological makeup--even our sexuality. that our psyches are intertwined with our physiology. that our physiology can affect our consciousness, our choices, our preferences. and that consciousness is not separate from the vessel, and vice-versa. i think that's a more interesting angle in the grander scheme of things.<BR/><BR/>my two cents.<BR/><BR/>~C~C4Chaoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07601612401064354166noreply@blogger.com