tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13617569.post5426593898415183219..comments2024-03-27T02:13:58.088-07:00Comments on Integral Options Cafe: A Precursor to Integral Theory?william harrymanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06981478282688361274noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13617569.post-89483557111990496732008-02-01T16:15:00.000-07:002008-02-01T16:15:00.000-07:00Hey Chris,Thanks for the excellent overview -- thi...Hey Chris,<BR/><BR/>Thanks for the excellent overview -- this is certainly an area I know nothing about, which means I have me some learnin' to do.<BR/><BR/>Peace,<BR/>Billwilliam harrymanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06981478282688361274noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13617569.post-126046839642974402008-01-31T15:23:00.000-07:002008-01-31T15:23:00.000-07:00Bill,Process is a huge influence on integral, no d...Bill,<BR/><BR/>Process is a huge influence on integral, no doubt. Process philosophy even birthed process theology in Christianity.<BR/><BR/>The key aspect that flows from Whitehead into Wilber is "prehension" (also in CS Peirce and William james' radical empiricism).<BR/><BR/>Basically it takes seriously embodiment and consciousness as intertwined processes, not reducing one to the other (like materialism) nor separating them like Descartes. <BR/><BR/>What Wilber has done--and here is the post-metaphysical part C4--is made Whitehead "dialogical". That is added the lower quadrants, particularly the lower left. That reality involves an intersubjective. Whitehead was "monological" in the sense that his empiricism was based on a view of individuals and individual consciousness.<BR/><BR/>Process is a metaphysic more in the sense of a cosmology--view of the universe--than a series of postulates or theories about other worlds over something after death. <BR/><BR/>The notion in Wilber of a transcendent Eros within the universe persuasively pulling us towards greater depth and integration is also straight out of Whitehead. Versus say a coercive supernaturalistic God figure a la much evangelical Christian theology or the New Atheist attacks. They are attacking the supernaturalistic God not Whitehead's God, which they largely seem unaware of imo.<BR/><BR/>Peace.<BR/><BR/>ChrisCJ Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01221425887393961604noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13617569.post-76703376042312692902008-01-31T07:31:00.000-07:002008-01-31T07:31:00.000-07:00Bill,thanks for the heads up. bookmarked!however, ...Bill,<BR/><BR/>thanks for the heads up. bookmarked!<BR/><BR/>however, what interested by in Wilber's version of integral is its *postmetaphysical* flavor as opposed to *metaphysical*. to consistent use of metaphysics (as in "process metaphysics) is not very attractive for me at this time. but i will withhold my critique until i get more information :)<BR/><BR/>~CAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com